Ok so the problem was originally thought to be the security system (aka passlock) have had those issues in the past. Normally just do the ten minute thing and a way we go, not so this time. No security light on or flashing. So checked on this site and a few others got some ideas what it might be after trying to boost the car and do the 10 min thing 4 times on a cold Canadian afternoon in town. Brought home the battery, charged it overnight then took it in for testing at Canadian tire( free) found to be charged but not much cranking power left in it. Purchased new battery at that time as this was the original factory one (7yrs old) not bad life span i suppose. Replaced ovwith eliminator battery that has 825 cold crank power so there should never be any issues with these chilly nights again. By the way the old one had only 525 cc amps, big difference but anyway thats a factory for you. I hooked up the new batt and tried to start car and got the same thing....turns over but no start. So i check the fuel pressure valve under the hood (looks like air valve on tires) push on it with screwdriver tip while holding a rag in front of it. No spray of gas at all. So is it the fuel pump?? Maybe.... from the tips I found on these sites it said to bang the fuel tank area with a bat or something, you know just to wake up the pump. Tapped gently all over the tank area got back in the car turned the key slowly to be able to hear the slight buzzing of the pump motor and to my surprise low and behold it WORKED!!! Got the car home tried starting it a few times here and all is well again for now. Hopefully the new battery cures our security issue for now also, crossing our fingers on that one still. Thanks for all the little tips, much appreciated. Maybe this could work for someone else too.